Yamaha P-125 and patch change pedal help...

Created at: 2021-03-03 01:59:40
Questioner General

Using a Yamaha P-125 with MainStage for a theater show. P-125 only has only 1 Sustain (pedal) jack. Midi A out needs go to laptop. Any ideas on how to include a patch change pedal/switch? There is an out for a 3-pedal unit but I'm told 1) I cannot assign one of the 3-pedal unit pedals to change patch and 2) the Sustain jack won't work with the Boss FS-5L switch I have always used with other boards. Thanks for any thoughts.

Answer #1:

By: Gerson Prohaska I

Using a Yamaha P-125 with MainStage for a theater show. P-125 only has only 1 Sustain (pedal) jack. Midi A out needs go to laptop. Any ideas on how to include a patch change pedal/switch? There is an out for a 3-pedal unit but I'm told 1) I cannot assign one of the 3-pedal unit pedals to change patch and 2) the Sustain jack won't work with the Boss FS-5L switch I have always used with other boards. Thanks for any thoughts.

Answer #2:

By: Torey Roberts

Outstanding--I can't thank you enough.

Answer #3:

By: Amanda Jast

Get a page turner pedal or a MIDI foot controller and use those with your Mac.

Answer #4:

By: Frederique O'Keefe

Hi Mike,

I suggest that you "skip" any patches no longer being used, rather than deleting them. This will keep all the MIDI program changes the same. See my screenshot below.



Select the patch that's no longer required, click on the tools icon in the patch list and then select "Skip". That patch will be replaced by a horizontal line in the patch list that can be seen in Edit mode but not in Perform mode. In my screenshot, you can see the horizontal line in the patchlist that denotes a "skipped" patch; but the program change numbering before and after the skipped patch remains the same.





Answer #5:

By: Dr. Sim Kuhn Sr.

Get a page turner pedal or a MIDI foot controller and use those with your Mac.

Answer #6:

By: Eriberto Hayes

Thanks Madddcow. Can you make a recommendation that would work? Preferably a budget recommendation? I searched both ideas at Sweetwater and things looked expensive. Plus I've always gone through the keyboard. Would I just Bluetooth or USB connect to the Mac and the device would appear in MainStage (where the other pedals already appear)? Thanks again.

Answer #7:

By: Laurie Hodkiewicz

Yep, you’d just connect to the Mac via Bluetooth or USB. I’ve used both connection methods with different devices and there are pros and cons with each. I used to have some issues with Bluetooth being a bit flaky at times but Apple hardware/software has considerably improved in this area in the past few years and I only use Bluetooth devices now.



In terms of recommendations - and within a budget - that’s a bit tricky because I’m in Australia and we don’t have nearly the range of options that people elsewhere in the world have access to. Plus, I’ve always bought the more expensive gear because that’s usually (but not always!) more reliable due to better components, build-quality etc. However, if you only need a patch up/down system - and I think this is what you’re after? - then virtually any Bluetooth page turner device will work. The IK Blueturn is pretty robust but a bit more pricey than some.



MIDI foot controllers are a LOT more powerful but if you don’t need all of that power, the additional expense probably isn’t worth it to you. However, the IK Multimedia Blueboard roughly sits in the middle of the pack price-wise and is a decent device, although not as flexible as others.



I’d recommend almost any AirTurn device as these are pretty much bulletproof. However, my recommendation would also be to get a device with moving pedals/switches because the tactile response gives you peace of mind that you’ve actually triggered the device; as an example, the AirTurn PEDPro is relatively inexpensive and has great features BUT there’s no satisfying click/movement when you depress the touch switches.



If you’re in the US, I’d recommend getting a couple of different Bluetooth page turners from Amazon and see which ones work best for your needs; you could then return what you don’t like. Amazon US has a crazy number of devices for great prices and Amazon’s no-fuss return policy - provided it applies to your specific purchases - is brilliant.



In my opinion, the best option is the Xsonic AirStep Multi because it combines Bluetooth, 5-PIN MIDI and USB-C, and it’s ridiculously powerful. I’ve just bought the AirStep combo and absolutely love this system. It’s probably the nuclear option for your needs but you wouldn’t be disappointed.



Feel free to ask any more questions you might have.

Answer #9:

By: Skyla Reichel

It should do. I mentioned it in my second paragraph above.

Answer #10:

By: Giovani Homenick I

Outstanding. Thanks. Will I need to connect through the BlueBoard app? Or just directly to MainStage?

Answer #11:

By: Nelson Rau

Also, I can't see that MainStage is Bluetooth device compatible. Perhaps I really need a USB connection?

Answer #12:

By: Amely Olson

I’m not sure because I don’t own a Blueturn. However, I believe it’s the same as the Blueboard and there are multiple modes, two of which don’t require the Blueboard to be open. At the very least, you’d be able to map MainStage’s patch up/down commands to whatever the Blueturn sends.

Answer #13:

By: Dr. Trisha Waters

The Blueturn connects to your Mac, not directly to MainStage. I’ve been using Bluetooth page turners and other Bluetooth devices with MainStage for almost 15 years….it works.

Answer #14:

By: Ila Corwin

Outstanding--I can't thank you enough.

Answer #15:

By: Mariah Legros

No problem. Just post back with any issues.

Answer #16:

By: Dr. Ivah Haag Sr.

Cheers! It will be a week or so but will let you know how I make out. Thanks again.

Answer #17:

By: Jesus Oberbrunner

Hi again Maddcow! You have achieved oracle status for me. Thank you! I connected the BlueTurn via Bluetooth and opened a Concert in MainStage. At first I was concerned that I couldn't figure out how to see or add the device in the Workspace but then I just decided to try and Assign it anyway. And it worked! Magic for sure. Thanks again for all of your guidance. I am grateful.



Answer #18:

By: Dexter Armstrong

So glad to hear this worked out for you!

Answer #19:

By: Jewell Yost Jr.

Hi Madddcow. Me again with a different type of MainStage question: In a concert, I wish to delete a patch (the theater show has made cuts to the score). When I do so, the patch numbers below the deleted patch all increase by 1. Is there a way to prevent that change in numbering and to keep the patches following the deleted patch at their previous numbers? Thanks very much.